I clicked on your site today and I was drawn once again to your question, the title of this article. I did not reread the post, so forgive me if you’ve already said this or someone else did in the comments. My answer to your question today is not that my intuition is ever wrong, it is really just my inability to interpret correctly, give an accurate read, understand fully. It is like learning another language. Maybe why writing exercises are so valuable in learning to hear what your intuition is telling you. To be able to read things over. Until one actually gets proficient in the language and can respond instantaneously and naturally. Maybe even the purpose for learning non-native languages.

PK

Paula – I love the idea of ego as teacher. I don’t think I’ve ever looked at that perspective … I’m going to have to try that one on for a day or so, and see where it leads me.

Thank you all again for this rockin’ discussion …

Blessings,
Andrea

Wow…the discussion at the end of this post is VERY interesting!
I see the ego as our vehicle to truth in this dimension…it is here as our guide so that we can experience the illusion of separateness and simultaneously the joy of awareness, consciousness and unity with the Divine. If we lovingly and consciously follow it, it will teach us all we need to know in order to evolve.

At least this is my view

Blessings of love and light!

PK

This is tricky because there is more I want to say that is more specific to your model of the world but Im not sure how appropriate it is here. Let me know if you would like me to say more here, or on email, or not at all is fine too!

I just want to add that I LOVE your work, and it massively helped me to be more at ease. I feel the form of it might change as you shift, and I feel it would be to your benefit to be open to that. Im sure you are.

Take care,
Andrew

So my sticking point is the idea that the “I” is an assumption that is not valid. I think the “I,” at least within the frame of reference of a physical incarnation, is absolutely essential. Why else have physical bodies that appear separate? Why distinct entities that are their own unique Souls? There is an individuality that I think is a necessary part of our journey, at least from this third-dimensional perspective from which we’re all working.

Here’s the best analogy I can come up with – it’s not great, but I think it’ll do: My body has a hand attached to it. The hand has its own functions and sensations, it’s own tasks – you might even say responsibilities. But every one of its actions is observed, reflected, felt in the rest of the body. If the hand is in pain, the rest of the body perceives that pain. The hand achieves something incredible and the rest of the body celebrates. But the hand is still a unique part of the body – not separate, but distinct. The hand is the body, but it is also just one part of the body. The will and the actions of the body affects the hand, but it assumes these as its own. And yet the hand has its own set of responsibilities within the actions of the body.

So that’s how I perceive the “I” within the Divine – not separate, but simply distinct. Each one of us is a unique expression of the greater Whole. Our intent is also the intent of the Divine. Our Soul’s expansion is the expansion of the Whole.

Having said that, I think this perspective is different from one that is experienced in upper-dimensional planes, which is probably more where you are coming from. But being incarnated here, we have all agreed to an “I”-ness, because we had to adopt an ego to manage our third-dimensional aspect. It’s illusion, but it’s one that we have to work with because that’s what we’ve chosen. So I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you, I am just choosing a different perspective.

Patricia – It’s a great question! Yes, we definitely agreed to the ego, but I think having an ego doesn’t separate us from God (see above comment). We can’t do away with it while incarnated and I agree with you – we have to work with it, not against it. It is an illusion that allows us to operate within this dimension, but it is a necessary one! I like to think of the ego as the third-dimensional operations manager! Which is different from being the boss … that’s the role of our Higher Self. I like the way Andrew puts it – that it allows us to experience the “joy of the illusion.”

In the end, surely the ego is as Divinely created as everything else?

I so appreciate this conversation!!!! Thank you to you both!

Blessings,
Andrea

Ok. Let me try it this way. Your whole argument is based on the assumption in the existance of an “I” which takes responsibility for creating. When we surrender to the Divine we lose the belief in the existance of an ‘I”. We lose the belief in the existance of God/Divine/Creator. The concept of existance becomes redundant. Its not even correct to say that ‘nothing’ exists, because to say there is ‘nothing’ implies a ‘something’.

When we say ‘I am Creator’, we are actually in separation. Where there is the belief in the existance of an “I” there is separation. In the very act of identifying yourself as the Divine, you have separated yourself from it.

It seems the Divine is pushing me to push you Andrea, but your intelligence makes you extremely tricky to push. When we surrender there is no “I”, there is no meaning, there is no purpose, there is no nothing. There are no decisions to be made as there is no “I” to make them. There is just universal flow.

Thanks for the input by the way Patricia. Nice to meet you!

Regards,
Andrew

Let’s see … f we identify with our egoic Self, then we need to surrender that to the Divine. If we identify as the Divine, then we are in a position to claim responsibility? Hmmm … I’m just thinking out loud now. I still don’t like the separation of ego and Divine, since all is One. Isn’t the ego also Divine?

Rambling …. much food for thought! Thank you, Patricia!

Blessings,
Andrea

Surrender to the Divine is truly freedom from the ego. Surrender to the Divine is being responsible to who we really are—the Divine.

When we talk about surrendering to the Divine, there’s still a bit of that overtone of the Divine being something outside of ourselves, an outside force that asks things of us. Simply not true. In fact, when we fully claim responsibility – “I am Creator” – isn’t that where we truly step into our Divinity? I agree that this takes immense courage and trust. Claiming responsibility for ALL of it is by far one of the scariest things we can do.

I really do think we’re talking about the same thing in different ways … two sides of the same coin. I do love discussing these things – thank you! Please let me know your thoughts!

Blessings,
Andrea

Im only planning on sending this one once!
Andrew

Andrew, the question I would have for you is: What do you think we are surrendering our responsibility to? Where does it go?

If you think our responsibility is to surrender our responsibility to the Divine (or Spirit, or the Universe, or God, whichever terminology you prefer) then we’re right back to square one. Because the Divine is still YOU.

Love this debate – can’t wait to hear your response, I’m really curious. By the way, I think we already ARE the Universe, the Creator and Created. It’s not something we become – we are all that already, right now. It’s just a matter of whether we are conscious of it or not.

Blessings,
Andrea

This is a very abstract debate! Hope what I said made sense.
Regards,
Andrew